Are we a country who likes to glorify murder?
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Just wanted to know your thoughts on this. And yes I am talking about America.
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Marco wrote:
ObviouslyJust wanted to know your thoughts on this. And yes I am talking about America.
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how do we glorify murder? i dont think most people do but a few do.
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Yes we do, it's called "pro-choice". It's sad really.
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PRIDE wrote:
I'm sure this will help the thread get plenty of comments. Maybe we can discuss creationism vs evolution next.Yes we do, it's called "pro-choice". It's sad really.
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Meat is Murder 😂😂😂
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Spinna wrote:
He doesn't like "killing" unborn cells but I'm sure he has no probably killing full grown adult humans (death penalty etc etc). That's what I find strange about this.PRIDE wrote:
I'm sure this will help the thread get plenty of comments. Maybe we can discuss creationism vs evolution next.Yes we do, it's called "pro-choice". It's sad really.
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PRIDE wrote:
sad but trueYes we do, it's called "pro-choice". It's sad really.
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ʟɛx тooтʜɛʀ™ wrote:
ya but most of the time murder is not glorified, killing most certainly is. murderers usually get justice in the end but killing is usually shown as justified or necessary.Look at movies and tv shows. Nothing but glorious murders.
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♠♚ЦℕƊƩ₣ᏐℕƩƊ♚♠ wrote:
Nor does he care what happens to the baby directly after its born. Like when it comes to healthcare or basic human needs. Or if they spend their childhood in the system being sexually molested and abused bouncing around one "home" to the next. Nope, it's all about the talking point and ignoring our history of when we did make abortion illegal.Spinna wrote:
He doesn't like "killing" unborn cells but I'm sure he has no probably killing full grown adult humans (death penalty etc etc). That's what I find strange about this.PRIDE wrote:
I'm sure this will help the thread get plenty of comments. Maybe we can discuss creationism vs evolution next.Yes we do, it's called "pro-choice". It's sad really.
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And of course America glorifies murder and violence. From movies/music to pro gun movements no matter the consequences to convincing ourselves that the homes/lives/futures we destroy in all these oil filled lands are for greater good. It's like poster proved on this thread, destroying some cells before there's even I formed human being is more of an issue for him than say the hundreds of thousands of Middle East civilians we have killed in the name of monied interest. But, yeah, what a women decides to do with her body is the greatest atrocity of all. Lol where's Carlos Mencia when you need him?;)
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The original question was "Are we a country who LIKES to glorify murder?" As if the fact that we glorify murder is a forgone conclusion and the OP is asking whether we are reluctant about it or not. I would take it one step further and say that our culture NEEDS to glorify violence. There is nothing else left to unify us as a people. Remember our reaction to September 11th? That was the last time we truly acted together towards a common goal. We're a hollowed out core of the idea that was once America so now we play the only cards we have left.
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It's no surprise though, when you consider the teachings of mainstream Christianity. Day one of Sunday school tells children that the brutal murder of their savior is what gives them everlasting life. So murder is good, right? Wait, but God forbids it? But God has committed mass murder himself for the most trivial of reasons? I'm confused.
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i know what murder is lex thats why i didnt use the word murder each time. the good guy killing someone had to be done, the bad guy killing someone is murder. the murderer is usually not glorified.
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Lets establish a point really quickly to separate out one of the points made earlier. There is a difference between killing and murder in our language. Murder implies killing something that is innocent, such as an unborn baby or random person in their home. Something like the death penalty does not qualify as murder literally or legally. Personally the death penalty seems rather pointless though, nothing is accomplished by it. Real justice comes after death anyway, so there's no need to have it served out in that way here.
Regarding the potential abuse of children after birth...
Our country has a (very expensive) system in place to ensure that this sort of thing doesn't happen. I'm not saying it doesn't, but its not the norm. When it does, it's the result of other people's crimes and failures. In any case there are few cases where you could logically justify killing the child to avoid that, much less morally. -
oh and undefined i am pro-life and anti death penalty. not everyone fits nicely into your preconceptions.
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Likewise as you may find in my post. Although I'd say I'm more of a fence-sitter on that issue.
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Kill them all and let God sort them out! That's my opinion! As far as the death penalty goes if your guilty you deserve to die not be housed and fed at the expense of others til you die!
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Spend the money on the kids not the killers
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Mhuirt1 wrote:
It costs far less to house and feed someone for 40 years than to execute them. There are a surprising amount of legal fees involved in the state murdering a guilty criminal. Yes, it is murder even if the state does it. Let's not pretend here.Kill them all and let God sort them out! That's my opinion! As far as the death penalty goes if your guilty you deserve to die not be housed and fed at the expense of others til you die!
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The reason why I asked this Important question is. I was watching a program about the 9/11 Museum, and they're thinking about putting videos of people jumping out of the building up on the walls for everybody to see. What are your thoughts on that?
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★punchy★ wrote:
Credible source of information needs to be included.Mhuirt1 wrote:
It costs far less to house and feed someone for 40 years than to execute them. There are a surprising amount of legal fees involved in the state murdering a guilty criminal. Yes, it is murder even if the state does it. Let's not pretend here.Kill them all and let God sort them out! That's my opinion! As far as the death penalty goes if your guilty you deserve to die not be housed and fed at the expense of others til you die!
Prison systems face spiraling costs as the number of inmates grow. And the age of the population also increases. The cost of running the nations correctional system approached 64 billion in 2003, of which more than half , 39billion went to run state prisons.
Ref. criminal justice: a brief history, 2012. Frank Schmalleger -
$130 dollars a day to house someone in the prison system daily in California.
On average, nation wide it costs $62 dollars per inmate per day at both state and federal levels.
Same reference as above! -
Dexter is a guy who is made from lesser evil than the people he kills. He is also not real and on television.
Killing is legal as long as malice is not involved. In war killings happen and are also planned and sometimes even include malice. The difference in war is that the killing is lawful as long as they abide by the international humanitarian laws. -
ʟɛx тooтʜɛʀ™ wrote:
i did say usually, there are always exceptions. grand theft auto games are another example. i just think most of the time the good guy doesnt commit cold blooded murder. some dont kill at all (batman, superman)c. wrote:
Ever seen Dexter?A "good guy" killing others and millions of people love the show. Look at any action movie-A "good guy" kills the bad guy and the movie makes millions of dollars.i know what murder is lex thats why i didnt use the word murder each time. the good guy killing someone had to be done, the bad guy killing someone is murder. the murderer is usually not glorified.
The "good guys" are still murdering, yet everyone is ok with it and they glorify the "hero" of the story.
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and those are all forms of entertainment. in real life when is a murderer glorified?
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c. wrote:
When they decide to put people jumping out of a burning building on a wall at a museum and all the faces of the terrorist right next to them. I think that's glorifying murder.and those are all forms of entertainment. in real life when is a murderer glorified?
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Marco wrote:
they are putting that part in at the request of many family members who want those responsible to be shown so that there is no mistake of who did it for future visitors who lack our memories. can you talk about pearl harbor without mentioning japan. as long as most of the families are for it and they are shown to be murderers of innocents and not victims i think it's alright. they did it, it happened, you cant hide or forget it. may they rot in hellc. wrote:
When they decide to put people jumping out of a burning building on a wall at a museum and all the faces of the terrorist right next to them. I think that's glorifying murder.and those are all forms of entertainment. in real life when is a murderer glorified?
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c. wrote:
Oh how I love you people. Technically abortion is just an eviction... If the fetus could live on it's own then it would be murder... And illegal. But it can't, therefore it is a women making a choice regarding her body, and what lives in it.PRIDE wrote:
sad but trueYes we do, it's called "pro-choice". It's sad really.
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if medical advanced could keep a fetus alive after say 2 months, should abortion then be illegal after 2 months in your view hippie? after all premature babies require medical care to survive "eviction".
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silverjava1 wrote:
The cost of running the nations correctional system approached 64 billion in 2003.✂
I fail to see how the total correctional system budget is relevant to the discussion of costs of executions vs. life without parole. This article from Fox News references a respected study showing that a death penalty trial costs 2-3 times as much as one calling for life without parole. That's $1 million - $2 million extra just for the trial. By your numbers, an average 40 year stretch costs the taxpayers around $900,000. Best case it's a wash either way, worst case it's an extra $1 - $2 million for the state to pull the plug. One fact that is irrefutable is that there is no cost savings in executing criminals, contrary to the original assertion that I was refuting.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/27/just-cost-death-penalty-killer-state-budgets/
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